DSJ
06-20 08:25 AM
as per http://www.shusterman.com/, democrats are up to restore family and employment immigration and eliminate point system
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xu1
06-29 11:40 PM
in addition to the house republican leadership (Hastert, Boehner) and a couple other influential ones on immigration such as rep Sensenbrenner.
Majority of these sponsoring congressmen have a green (anti-immigration) rating, some of them having a green-red (mixed) rating. However, they're mostly red (pro-immigration) when it comes to h1-b or related skilled worker bills (this even includes sensenbrenner's votes!)..
I did all this search out of boredom, but more importantly to assuage my sinking heart. So it looks like with the sponsorship of 10 pro-skilled immigration republicans, and at least not-against-skilled immigration republican leadership, this represents a good sample of republican votes for the passage.
Question remains how and when this bill will make it to the congressional agenda now that the summer is here already.
I keep my fingers crossed.
Majority of these sponsoring congressmen have a green (anti-immigration) rating, some of them having a green-red (mixed) rating. However, they're mostly red (pro-immigration) when it comes to h1-b or related skilled worker bills (this even includes sensenbrenner's votes!)..
I did all this search out of boredom, but more importantly to assuage my sinking heart. So it looks like with the sponsorship of 10 pro-skilled immigration republicans, and at least not-against-skilled immigration republican leadership, this represents a good sample of republican votes for the passage.
Question remains how and when this bill will make it to the congressional agenda now that the summer is here already.
I keep my fingers crossed.
chanduv23
12-01 10:55 AM
Lets NOT do a hunger strike.
Think of something that is unique, gets media attention, something that has not been done, but conveys the message in a very subtle way and yet is very powerful and will create a lump in the throat.
Free math turoring, free SAT preperation classes, you get the idea....
Good idea, do something constructive and get media attention. This solves multiple purposes, media attention, best use of time, and would also convey a positive message.
Think of something that is unique, gets media attention, something that has not been done, but conveys the message in a very subtle way and yet is very powerful and will create a lump in the throat.
Free math turoring, free SAT preperation classes, you get the idea....
Good idea, do something constructive and get media attention. This solves multiple purposes, media attention, best use of time, and would also convey a positive message.
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Macaca
09-20 02:51 PM
hats off to you macaca and u da best.
Missed you at the rally!
Also missed Jaime and Ramus!
Looked for all three!
Missed you at the rally!
Also missed Jaime and Ramus!
Looked for all three!
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walking_dude
05-01 01:11 PM
Just like IRS will be mailing checks to provide stimulus to the economy, IV bills need the stimulus of your checks to move forward.Now that Stimulus checks are in the mail, it's time for the community to loosen the purse strings and contribute to something that will benefit you immensely.
Let's not let this historic opportunity go waste over a sum of $50 or $100, something many of us spent just to get to the nearest available USCIS recognized doctor for our AOS medical tests. If these bills pass the savings are much greater - EAD/AP/DL renewal fees, FP fees, AC21 fees (whenever you change the job) etc. Now that the new Medical form has been posted - with additional TB testing - old tests may be considered invalid after a period of time ( I'm not saying they'll be, but knowing USCIS anything's possible). Not to mention job opportunities lost due to a missing plastic card - every one of us, EAD users, has at least one experience, where we couldn't apply or were denied opportunities for not having GC.
Considering the cost vs. benefits ratio, and the low risks unvolved (you aren't investing whole of your 401(k) here), let's not act 'pennywise and pound foolish'. Lets not fall victim to self-defeatist pessimism and thriftiness. If ,God forbid, the bills don't pass you are losing just 50 bucks, 100 bucks... something you'd have lost when the mail-in rebate check got lost in mail (or not got posted at all!). It's not like any of us will be losing our retirement savings or all our stocks. I'm sure no one will foreclose their homes because of it :-)
We raised more than 30K when there was no bill (Omnibus), now that there is a bill under discussion, I can't see any reason why we are taking so long to cross a modest 10K?!
Let's not let this historic opportunity go waste over a sum of $50 or $100, something many of us spent just to get to the nearest available USCIS recognized doctor for our AOS medical tests. If these bills pass the savings are much greater - EAD/AP/DL renewal fees, FP fees, AC21 fees (whenever you change the job) etc. Now that the new Medical form has been posted - with additional TB testing - old tests may be considered invalid after a period of time ( I'm not saying they'll be, but knowing USCIS anything's possible). Not to mention job opportunities lost due to a missing plastic card - every one of us, EAD users, has at least one experience, where we couldn't apply or were denied opportunities for not having GC.
Considering the cost vs. benefits ratio, and the low risks unvolved (you aren't investing whole of your 401(k) here), let's not act 'pennywise and pound foolish'. Lets not fall victim to self-defeatist pessimism and thriftiness. If ,God forbid, the bills don't pass you are losing just 50 bucks, 100 bucks... something you'd have lost when the mail-in rebate check got lost in mail (or not got posted at all!). It's not like any of us will be losing our retirement savings or all our stocks. I'm sure no one will foreclose their homes because of it :-)
We raised more than 30K when there was no bill (Omnibus), now that there is a bill under discussion, I can't see any reason why we are taking so long to cross a modest 10K?!
mhb
09-21 10:01 PM
your contributions in the past and for the rally are much appreciated.
btw the chapter needs to have an urgent con-call about some impending legislative action. watch out for details..be sure to attend!
no problemos. just let me know the details of the call.
btw the chapter needs to have an urgent con-call about some impending legislative action. watch out for details..be sure to attend!
no problemos. just let me know the details of the call.
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va_labor2002
07-05 01:20 PM
When Skill bill will be scheduled to debate / discuss in house as well as in Senate? Any idea please.
1) When are we sending FAX to congressmen ? Is there a plan of action from the Core Team members regarding this SKIL BILL ?
2) When the debate starts in congress ? How can we find out the dates?
Any comments ?
1) When are we sending FAX to congressmen ? Is there a plan of action from the Core Team members regarding this SKIL BILL ?
2) When the debate starts in congress ? How can we find out the dates?
Any comments ?
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Openarms
06-11 08:50 AM
This has been a discovered issue a loooong back.... see below links.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/19069-injustice-for-eb3-india.html
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/19573-eb3-india-most-unfortunate-effected-category-3.html
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/19069-injustice-for-eb3-india.html
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/19573-eb3-india-most-unfortunate-effected-category-3.html
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rsdang
09-18 11:13 AM
Seems like you have all the evidence you need... unless your lawyer screwed up...
All the best...
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05-31 02:05 PM
What you are saying is a high level picture of what the lawmakers think.
Instead of asking reasonable numbers asking for no cap.
True that the tech companies are not comming up with a cap because they believe by saying this, they might be restricted for many years to bring in extra people if they have an opening.
Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
How did the anti-immigrants get a upper hand on this. They are allowing illegals to get an easy path to citizenship.. this will cause a huge influx of people who will benefit the economy but down the line their children will take up the jobs of the americans.. so why a benefit to illegals.
Now you would say that there are so many companies lobbying for the illegals,
true but why don't they listen to the tech lobbyist who are few in number but asking what is actually,legally, abide rulles ly necessary to increase the economy.
Main reasons for restrictions in legal immigration are
1. Organised compaign by anti immigrants with data. They proved that H1b persons were paid 20% below the market rate. There is no defence from orgainised compaign by pro immigrants. Pro immigrants gave the statement that shortage of skilled workers but they were not able to give supporting data. Newspaper stories are not enough
2. Reaching h1b cap in 2 days gave negative picture instead of positive. Mostly consulting companies rushed to get h1b without valid job positions
3. Instead of asking reasonable numbers Corporations and pro immigrants asked exemptions in H1b numbers and green card numbers. They want to make sure that unlimited numbers so that they can hire or fire anyone.
4. Immigrants are suffering by backlogs and they are expressed by IV and Lawyers. But that is not enough to justify immigration. That should be justified with real need for welfare of country
5. Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
6. Some Indian consulting companies exploited the situation by just hiring H1bs not even trying to recruit US workers even if they available. But some Indian companies like TCS,Infosys started hiring US workers nowadays because of shortage of H1b.
H1b persons are considered as best skilled persons so Companies can afford to pay 5000 or even 10000$. Infact H1b persons should be paid 20% above US workers as they are considered as better than US workers. That is the reason for raising the fees by two thirds of Senators
Instead of asking reasonable numbers asking for no cap.
True that the tech companies are not comming up with a cap because they believe by saying this, they might be restricted for many years to bring in extra people if they have an opening.
Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
How did the anti-immigrants get a upper hand on this. They are allowing illegals to get an easy path to citizenship.. this will cause a huge influx of people who will benefit the economy but down the line their children will take up the jobs of the americans.. so why a benefit to illegals.
Now you would say that there are so many companies lobbying for the illegals,
true but why don't they listen to the tech lobbyist who are few in number but asking what is actually,legally, abide rulles ly necessary to increase the economy.
Main reasons for restrictions in legal immigration are
1. Organised compaign by anti immigrants with data. They proved that H1b persons were paid 20% below the market rate. There is no defence from orgainised compaign by pro immigrants. Pro immigrants gave the statement that shortage of skilled workers but they were not able to give supporting data. Newspaper stories are not enough
2. Reaching h1b cap in 2 days gave negative picture instead of positive. Mostly consulting companies rushed to get h1b without valid job positions
3. Instead of asking reasonable numbers Corporations and pro immigrants asked exemptions in H1b numbers and green card numbers. They want to make sure that unlimited numbers so that they can hire or fire anyone.
4. Immigrants are suffering by backlogs and they are expressed by IV and Lawyers. But that is not enough to justify immigration. That should be justified with real need for welfare of country
5. Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
6. Some Indian consulting companies exploited the situation by just hiring H1bs not even trying to recruit US workers even if they available. But some Indian companies like TCS,Infosys started hiring US workers nowadays because of shortage of H1b.
H1b persons are considered as best skilled persons so Companies can afford to pay 5000 or even 10000$. Infact H1b persons should be paid 20% above US workers as they are considered as better than US workers. That is the reason for raising the fees by two thirds of Senators
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manishs7
05-30 07:49 PM
Excerpts from same site http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/9c1274840ebee3c3852572eb006fde98?OpenDocument
Reallocation of Immigrant Visa Numbers
Immigrant visa quotas would be substantially realigned under S. 1348. Our current law provides for a baseline annual quota of 140,000 immigrant visas for foreign nationals immigrating on the basis of employment. In the past several years, a backlog has developed in several employment-based immigrant categories, with multiyear waits for some prospective immigrant workers. The Senate bill would, in the first five years after enactment, increase the quota for merit-based and employment-based cases, in part to address existing backlogs. An estimated 247,000 numbers would be available for work-related immigration. Beginning in the sixth fiscal year after enactment, however, the quota would drop to 140,000 numbers per year. This level would remain in place for at least two years, until approximately the eighth year after enactment, when the quota would rise to a baseline of 380,000 per year, with additional numbers made available for previously undocumented immigrants who become eligible to apply for permanent residence.
Is the interpretation of current Bill (without amendment) is correct for the work related immigration?
Reallocation of Immigrant Visa Numbers
Immigrant visa quotas would be substantially realigned under S. 1348. Our current law provides for a baseline annual quota of 140,000 immigrant visas for foreign nationals immigrating on the basis of employment. In the past several years, a backlog has developed in several employment-based immigrant categories, with multiyear waits for some prospective immigrant workers. The Senate bill would, in the first five years after enactment, increase the quota for merit-based and employment-based cases, in part to address existing backlogs. An estimated 247,000 numbers would be available for work-related immigration. Beginning in the sixth fiscal year after enactment, however, the quota would drop to 140,000 numbers per year. This level would remain in place for at least two years, until approximately the eighth year after enactment, when the quota would rise to a baseline of 380,000 per year, with additional numbers made available for previously undocumented immigrants who become eligible to apply for permanent residence.
Is the interpretation of current Bill (without amendment) is correct for the work related immigration?
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indio0617
10-20 12:22 PM
I do not see any issue here at all. Most of the housewives (including mine) and sons/daughter take EAD/AP and do not work. EAD is just an authorization, not a compulsion to work. Being legal here stems from the fact that her petition to adjust status (I485) is pending for decision from USCIS.
BMS1:
Thank you. Yes, that's my opinion as well. A pending 485 status is valid immigration status by itself.
BMS1:
Thank you. Yes, that's my opinion as well. A pending 485 status is valid immigration status by itself.
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h4visa
03-17 11:19 AM
Thats a good point Harsh. If they are reluctant to increase the H1 cap they can simply look for the talent in their own house (USA). After all we all are paying taxes and can contribute to the economy. and also we should seriously think about lobbying for issuance of EAD to H-4's once I-140 is approved.
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singhsa3
07-17 09:54 PM
Welcome back!, your are a part of the team
Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:
You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.
Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.
This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!
Hi all, this is the new ID of bigtime007. As many has noticed, I was banned for the following reason:
You have been banned for the following reason:
Disruptive posts
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
After thinking about it, I feel very very sorry for disrupting the cheerful atmosphere on this forum. It is time for champagne, not complaints. This should be a place to congratulate and applaud IV's achievements, instead of that to express one's own frustrations. People with 07 PD has the privilege to cheer when they cut in front of us, but we should not feel sad for being pushed back because it is a disruptive behavior.
Please do not list what you have done to add items in the legislation to help BEC victims, it does not look genuine any more when it is considered disruptive to express one's depression on a board specially for BEC victims.
This will be my last post, as I am sure they will ban both my ID and IP. For everyone who still reads my post, Good luck!
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sc3
09-12 07:10 PM
if Obama wins:
+ its better for the world in general. The last thing we want is more of GWB policies destroying both America's economy, civil rights, and respect in the world.
- his best friend Durbin will again pick up the stick and start beating up on H1 sponsoring. EB will also get run over by the same bus.
- FB immigration will be put in preference over EB, we are screwed.
if McSame wins:
+ my taxes remain low
- CIR is back. 13 millions illegals will get in line. points based system for EB immigration and we are all screwed again.
- if McCain does not live through his presidency, the biggest country and economy in the world, with the largest number of nuclear weapons, the largest amount of military spending... the rome of our time, with nearly unlimited power and presence around teh world, will be run by a mayor of a small town. Rember her trying to get her brother-in-law police officer fired during her sisters divorce? And when the administrator refused her requests, he fired him? Remember how she emails people off-the-record from her Yahoo account? Remember how she CC's her husband on official emails? Do you want someone that stupid, who already abused whatever little powers a mayor and governor has, to be the commander-in-chief of the united states armed forces?
Either way immigration-wise we are screwed. I think for the sake of the rest of the world we must wish that this time McCain loses this election. He has made a very stupid VP choice.
Obama is no panacea either. Why do you think someone with little experience is a liability to be second in command, but the same lack of experience is admirable quality for the first in command.
Also, Obama has been changing his positions on issues to pander to the voters, I doubt he will be any different from Bush either. The only change you are going to see is in himself -- not the way things are done. He will probably pay more of the tax monies to people who gambled with their houses (and are still not being punished for it).
+ its better for the world in general. The last thing we want is more of GWB policies destroying both America's economy, civil rights, and respect in the world.
- his best friend Durbin will again pick up the stick and start beating up on H1 sponsoring. EB will also get run over by the same bus.
- FB immigration will be put in preference over EB, we are screwed.
if McSame wins:
+ my taxes remain low
- CIR is back. 13 millions illegals will get in line. points based system for EB immigration and we are all screwed again.
- if McCain does not live through his presidency, the biggest country and economy in the world, with the largest number of nuclear weapons, the largest amount of military spending... the rome of our time, with nearly unlimited power and presence around teh world, will be run by a mayor of a small town. Rember her trying to get her brother-in-law police officer fired during her sisters divorce? And when the administrator refused her requests, he fired him? Remember how she emails people off-the-record from her Yahoo account? Remember how she CC's her husband on official emails? Do you want someone that stupid, who already abused whatever little powers a mayor and governor has, to be the commander-in-chief of the united states armed forces?
Either way immigration-wise we are screwed. I think for the sake of the rest of the world we must wish that this time McCain loses this election. He has made a very stupid VP choice.
Obama is no panacea either. Why do you think someone with little experience is a liability to be second in command, but the same lack of experience is admirable quality for the first in command.
Also, Obama has been changing his positions on issues to pander to the voters, I doubt he will be any different from Bush either. The only change you are going to see is in himself -- not the way things are done. He will probably pay more of the tax monies to people who gambled with their houses (and are still not being punished for it).
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vchenna
07-26 02:56 PM
GURU's:)
I m Employee of company "A" have a valid H1-B till 2008.
I came to company "B" through company "A" acquisition. I left company "B" in March 2007 and joined some other company( "C" ) on H1 B.
Question is- I have a project now and wanted to get back as a employee of "B".
Will company "A"' H1-B be valid? Or do we have to do a H1 B transfer ?
Please suggest :mad:
Thanks
I m Employee of company "A" have a valid H1-B till 2008.
I came to company "B" through company "A" acquisition. I left company "B" in March 2007 and joined some other company( "C" ) on H1 B.
Question is- I have a project now and wanted to get back as a employee of "B".
Will company "A"' H1-B be valid? Or do we have to do a H1 B transfer ?
Please suggest :mad:
Thanks
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Hinglish
03-13 05:43 PM
Bharatpremi,
When do you think EB3-India will move to 2005? Any guess?
Best guess : in your life time
When do you think EB3-India will move to 2005? Any guess?
Best guess : in your life time
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vin13
01-15 10:12 AM
This is a basic supply and demand issue.
When H1-B yearly cap is getting used up within days, what is the reason for allowing H-4 to work.
The only way you would see a change in the rule is when there are not many H1-B takers, and they need to attract more families.
Don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say H-4s should not be given the oppertunity. Just think in terms of the need for this country. Not our personal needs.
When H1-B yearly cap is getting used up within days, what is the reason for allowing H-4 to work.
The only way you would see a change in the rule is when there are not many H1-B takers, and they need to attract more families.
Don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say H-4s should not be given the oppertunity. Just think in terms of the need for this country. Not our personal needs.
Leo07
11-14 09:19 PM
Pappu,
I totally agree with what you have said. I think that we need to step up our efforts....if money is going to be a problem then we need to start threads for fund raising with a set target.
I totally agree with what you have said. I think that we need to step up our efforts....if money is going to be a problem then we need to start threads for fund raising with a set target.
h4_optimist
01-08 05:49 PM
H1B visa is meant to be for people with skills that are in shortage in the US. If any H4 feels that he/she should be able to work, he/she should get a H1B. I agree that it may be difficult for some H4s to find a sponsorer for H1B, because their skills are not in shortage in the US.
Some spouses may join their H1B counterparts in the US, with an expectation that they will eventually get the GC and will be able to work, no matter what their skill set is. This is a reasonable expectation. So, blame the retrogression.
I do not believe that H4s should ever be allowed to work. They just take away jobs of more skilled workers who are unable to get H1Bs and who are still in their home countries trying for one. Skill-less free riders!
Now, please don't bash me with counter arguments!! ;)
After making such a harsh statement as above,"I do not believe that H4s should ever be allowed to work", I wonder whether you have your spouse with you in the US. If yes, you are not compassionate about their situation.
The L2 visa people were able to get EAD, not only because their spouses had good influence, but also because they showed respect to their spouses , who compromised their career, to travel with them to the United States, while they were chasing the dream.
If you do not know the meaning of compromise, and mutual respect, there is no point in running a campaign like this for the welfare of immigrants.
How can you totally ignore the plights, of H4 people, and run a campaign like this for green card. I believe that it is pure selfishness if you do the same. I mean maybe you are not married, or may be you and your lucky spouse, may be the one who didnt have to fight for any H1B lottery while in H4 and to make the tough choice of being with your spouse or losing the career. If being lucky in your life is the reason of making such harsh comment, without even understanding others problem, then I just want to advice that luck is a very tricky thing, and may be you will also face issues in this foreign land for which you might not get any support.
Also, dnt just assume that just because you got your H1, you and your friends outside the US are smarter than the H4 people. Some of us also had an enviable career back home and which is respected through out the world, but made the compromise as we cared about the career of our spouses in the US.
Also I heard people saying in this thread, if H4 people are smart, get H1 and that is the rule and we cannot change it. What about the H1 Lottery? I thought this entire group is for bringing in postive reforms to the current law. If not why dnt we wait for GC for 10 years. That is the house rule and we need to follow it!
With people like you in this group, I feel dissappointed support this cause.
Some spouses may join their H1B counterparts in the US, with an expectation that they will eventually get the GC and will be able to work, no matter what their skill set is. This is a reasonable expectation. So, blame the retrogression.
I do not believe that H4s should ever be allowed to work. They just take away jobs of more skilled workers who are unable to get H1Bs and who are still in their home countries trying for one. Skill-less free riders!
Now, please don't bash me with counter arguments!! ;)
After making such a harsh statement as above,"I do not believe that H4s should ever be allowed to work", I wonder whether you have your spouse with you in the US. If yes, you are not compassionate about their situation.
The L2 visa people were able to get EAD, not only because their spouses had good influence, but also because they showed respect to their spouses , who compromised their career, to travel with them to the United States, while they were chasing the dream.
If you do not know the meaning of compromise, and mutual respect, there is no point in running a campaign like this for the welfare of immigrants.
How can you totally ignore the plights, of H4 people, and run a campaign like this for green card. I believe that it is pure selfishness if you do the same. I mean maybe you are not married, or may be you and your lucky spouse, may be the one who didnt have to fight for any H1B lottery while in H4 and to make the tough choice of being with your spouse or losing the career. If being lucky in your life is the reason of making such harsh comment, without even understanding others problem, then I just want to advice that luck is a very tricky thing, and may be you will also face issues in this foreign land for which you might not get any support.
Also, dnt just assume that just because you got your H1, you and your friends outside the US are smarter than the H4 people. Some of us also had an enviable career back home and which is respected through out the world, but made the compromise as we cared about the career of our spouses in the US.
Also I heard people saying in this thread, if H4 people are smart, get H1 and that is the rule and we cannot change it. What about the H1 Lottery? I thought this entire group is for bringing in postive reforms to the current law. If not why dnt we wait for GC for 10 years. That is the house rule and we need to follow it!
With people like you in this group, I feel dissappointed support this cause.
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