columban
06-09 01:04 AM
All,
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
###
Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
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BharatPremi
12-10 05:04 PM
Shifting from the internet model would be failure in terms of the numbers which we really are looking for.
State boards are kind of semi internet usgae only (Though not forum...). But those also do not make passive ones come ahead. So real issue is not the type of meet, the first real issue is feeling that you are in trouble..and 2nd is to stand up for fighting against that. And 3rd.. yes through IV we will be able to do this and so become active.
State boards are kind of semi internet usgae only (Though not forum...). But those also do not make passive ones come ahead. So real issue is not the type of meet, the first real issue is feeling that you are in trouble..and 2nd is to stand up for fighting against that. And 3rd.. yes through IV we will be able to do this and so become active.
pmat
06-10 02:18 PM
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sheela
06-26 03:11 PM
Thanks Sheela.
I got a relief. So since I ma on EAD and on I-485 status is it ok to take a break for 3 months and then start the next job. So this break will not affect my status right.
Yes, that is right. On EAD you can stay in-between-jobs
I got a relief. So since I ma on EAD and on I-485 status is it ok to take a break for 3 months and then start the next job. So this break will not affect my status right.
Yes, that is right. On EAD you can stay in-between-jobs
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MeraNoAayega
06-10 03:49 PM
I wonder if anybody noticed the cyclic pattern of dates for EB3 India
Every time it hit Nov 2001, the dates were made unavailable and the cycle started again from early 2001.
I wonder what is going to happen next month??
I think the cycles will stop now... you should see a steady forward progress during the first 3 quarters & a jump (minor or major depends on spillover) in last quarter...
Every time it hit Nov 2001, the dates were made unavailable and the cycle started again from early 2001.
I wonder what is going to happen next month??
I think the cycles will stop now... you should see a steady forward progress during the first 3 quarters & a jump (minor or major depends on spillover) in last quarter...
nightowl76
06-01 03:20 PM
Its a terrible tragedy when lives are lost. My heart goes out to the innocent victims and their family and friends.
Air France is conveniently blaming it on bad weather but I don't buy it...planes fly just fine in bad weather...at least well maintained planes. While their incompetency at customer service clearly shows, they are probably sub standard in maintenance and safety issues as well. Too bad innocent lives have to pay a price to bring that out.
Another reason not to fly Air France.
Air France is conveniently blaming it on bad weather but I don't buy it...planes fly just fine in bad weather...at least well maintained planes. While their incompetency at customer service clearly shows, they are probably sub standard in maintenance and safety issues as well. Too bad innocent lives have to pay a price to bring that out.
Another reason not to fly Air France.
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07-10 04:00 PM
I called today and reiterated our request for Rep Smith's support. I wanted to vote on the poll bt apparently its closed now..
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gapala
03-20 10:19 PM
This is not visa portability as defined by AC-21.
Not same as, lets call it portability.
That is what I said. Its not portability.
Not same as, lets call it portability.
That is what I said. Its not portability.
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09-21 02:05 AM
I have been speaking to colleagues and friends. Not many were aware of the rally others didn't think it would make an impact.After I showed them the website and BBC news article they were listening. I was hesitant to come there now that i was there i will attend a 2nd, 3rd and everyone. People in different parts of the country should lobby and bring 20-30 people and then you'll see numbers. Before the rally run some ads on popular channels and newspapers and motivate them.
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smuggymba
03-27 09:37 AM
Ok sir.. I lose you won.. keep porting.
MC - ur date is pretty close and I can understand ur frustration being so close yet so far. Porting is like labor substitution - LEGAL. Nothing we can do.
MC - ur date is pretty close and I can understand ur frustration being so close yet so far. Porting is like labor substitution - LEGAL. Nothing we can do.
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sprash
01-14 02:50 PM
I was wondering if there is any documentation that we can show the employers to dissuade them from revoking I-140 when leaving the petitioning company...
I have started a thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23116) so that the documentation does not get buried in other other threads... Please reply if you have any links/info.
Thanks in advance!
I have started a thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23116) so that the documentation does not get buried in other other threads... Please reply if you have any links/info.
Thanks in advance!
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05-17 02:38 PM
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Robert Kumar
03-26 12:21 PM
When I said that there should be one Item in IV agenda to Ban Porting, everyone got mad.
I still say that they should be allowed to port but should go back in line. they are disturbing the balance. I am not against them, if they were EB2 candidates why they didnt file on EB2 category at first, if now they think they are qualified then they should start new process.
BTW. they will create a big retrogression for EB2 then EB2 people have to port to EB3
Red dots are welcome.
Thanks
I have done some study and can understand not many are porting. But there are few.
But if we raise our voice against porting, they will raise theirs with double the intensity against spillovers. So I dont think we should throw stones on their houses, when ours are made of glass. Moreoever if we see the statistics, there is a HUGE # of EB2 applicants in 2007 onwards I think. Unless we all act together, its not going anywhere.
I know many cases where newer applicants applied in EB2 and were much lesser in hierarchy than their bosses who are in EB3 and waiting. I think we must respect that, and more importantly as soon as raise our voice, they will not keep quite, right. You would also not keep quite if in their shoes.
Best will be if IV comes up with some programs to reduce this backlogs.
I still say that they should be allowed to port but should go back in line. they are disturbing the balance. I am not against them, if they were EB2 candidates why they didnt file on EB2 category at first, if now they think they are qualified then they should start new process.
BTW. they will create a big retrogression for EB2 then EB2 people have to port to EB3
Red dots are welcome.
Thanks
I have done some study and can understand not many are porting. But there are few.
But if we raise our voice against porting, they will raise theirs with double the intensity against spillovers. So I dont think we should throw stones on their houses, when ours are made of glass. Moreoever if we see the statistics, there is a HUGE # of EB2 applicants in 2007 onwards I think. Unless we all act together, its not going anywhere.
I know many cases where newer applicants applied in EB2 and were much lesser in hierarchy than their bosses who are in EB3 and waiting. I think we must respect that, and more importantly as soon as raise our voice, they will not keep quite, right. You would also not keep quite if in their shoes.
Best will be if IV comes up with some programs to reduce this backlogs.
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09-26 12:51 AM
All law firms hired by the employer will only respond or react to employer and not to the employee. Fragomen is very conservative (not 100% ethical) and will not take any chances with GC processing. Employers will always take the law firm's adivice because they dont want to take any risk either. Fragomen represent almost all of the fortune 100 companies, all of BIG4's, BIG 3's and all major consulting firms.
If you (personally) hire Fragomen directly they will respond to all your queries in timely fashion. You will not talk to the lawyer at all. You will only talk to the paralegal. This is the problem with all big law firms.
Again, the prestige of the law firm you hire does not have anything do with your application.
If you (personally) hire Fragomen directly they will respond to all your queries in timely fashion. You will not talk to the lawyer at all. You will only talk to the paralegal. This is the problem with all big law firms.
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06-14 08:57 AM
Good news for some and not so good news for others. I have been waiting for my labor for last 4 years and have still not got the approval on hand. So I am not ready to apply for 485. Where as a friend of mine who came to US last year and applied for labor through perm 2 months back has his approved labor and can apply for 485. I feel this is kind of unfair. The dates should have progressed slowly but steadily instead of trying to create a mad rush now.
I had a similar issue.. labor was stuck in the backlog ctr for 4 years.. Tired of waiting - i then directed my lawers to request the dol for a screenshot, ven though my h-1b was valid and i did not actually need it.. lo and behold.. 15 days after that .. it was miraclously approved.. I suggest you try the same.. keep me posted if that works.
I had a similar issue.. labor was stuck in the backlog ctr for 4 years.. Tired of waiting - i then directed my lawers to request the dol for a screenshot, ven though my h-1b was valid and i did not actually need it.. lo and behold.. 15 days after that .. it was miraclously approved.. I suggest you try the same.. keep me posted if that works.
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pkv
05-05 02:09 AM
I receive the standard IRS letter regarding stimulus rebate.
I took this letter and went to SSA office to apply for a SSN for my wife.
Point number 3 in ss-5 clearly says .....
"If you check "Legal Alien Not Allowed to Work," you must provide a document from a U.S. Federal, State, or local government agency that explains why you need a Social Security number and that you meet all of the requirements for the U.S. government benefit. NOTE: Not all U.S. State or local benefits are acceptable for non-work SSN purposes. Contact SSA to see if your reason qualifies.
If you check "Other," you must provide a document from the U.S. government agency that explains why you need a Social Security number and that you meet all of the requirements for a Federal benefit except for the number."
I believe that IRS letter should be treated as a sufficient reason for need of SSN. BUT THEY DIDN'T ENTERTAIN ANY OF THE FACTS AND DECLINED TO ACCEPT APPLICATION FOR SSN.
As long as you qualify for the stimulus payment, you can get a non-work SSN. You qualify as long as you are in the income levels specified, were a resident of the US in 2007 (substantial presence), and were in the US legally (have a valid visa). If you did not file a tax return, then you cannot apply for the SSN.
As far as the Social Security Act is concerned, the law states that they MUST give you a SSN if you qualify for any federally funded benefit. The question is: Is the Economic Stimulus Payment a federal funded benefit. The information in my original post makes a very strong case that it is.
Please post your experiences here, even if you are denied. Remember, the folks in the local SSA offices are bureaucrats, not lawyers, or judges, so don't expect much cooperation. However, if they deny you application, simply write them a short letter saying that you disagree and that you are requesting a "reconsideration."
I took this letter and went to SSA office to apply for a SSN for my wife.
Point number 3 in ss-5 clearly says .....
"If you check "Legal Alien Not Allowed to Work," you must provide a document from a U.S. Federal, State, or local government agency that explains why you need a Social Security number and that you meet all of the requirements for the U.S. government benefit. NOTE: Not all U.S. State or local benefits are acceptable for non-work SSN purposes. Contact SSA to see if your reason qualifies.
If you check "Other," you must provide a document from the U.S. government agency that explains why you need a Social Security number and that you meet all of the requirements for a Federal benefit except for the number."
I believe that IRS letter should be treated as a sufficient reason for need of SSN. BUT THEY DIDN'T ENTERTAIN ANY OF THE FACTS AND DECLINED TO ACCEPT APPLICATION FOR SSN.
As long as you qualify for the stimulus payment, you can get a non-work SSN. You qualify as long as you are in the income levels specified, were a resident of the US in 2007 (substantial presence), and were in the US legally (have a valid visa). If you did not file a tax return, then you cannot apply for the SSN.
As far as the Social Security Act is concerned, the law states that they MUST give you a SSN if you qualify for any federally funded benefit. The question is: Is the Economic Stimulus Payment a federal funded benefit. The information in my original post makes a very strong case that it is.
Please post your experiences here, even if you are denied. Remember, the folks in the local SSA offices are bureaucrats, not lawyers, or judges, so don't expect much cooperation. However, if they deny you application, simply write them a short letter saying that you disagree and that you are requesting a "reconsideration."
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nik.patelc
10-01 04:43 PM
Your language just proves where you belong to.
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
Arunmurthy,
You also need to grow up. Making derogatory remark on UP/Bihar, you showed it.
These days, people blame UP/Bihar for anything... Hyprocate like you are not belong to any state or nation. At least psaxena showing how is proud of IV being donor. We as freeloader should appreciate and not to take it as donor vs freeloader. Its his choice to be donor and its your and mine not to be donor. If you are too proud of your english, then be proud of it. Atleast he can write hindi (national language). Do you?
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
Arunmurthy,
You also need to grow up. Making derogatory remark on UP/Bihar, you showed it.
These days, people blame UP/Bihar for anything... Hyprocate like you are not belong to any state or nation. At least psaxena showing how is proud of IV being donor. We as freeloader should appreciate and not to take it as donor vs freeloader. Its his choice to be donor and its your and mine not to be donor. If you are too proud of your english, then be proud of it. Atleast he can write hindi (national language). Do you?
msyedy
05-30 06:37 PM
would create a quota exemption for certain highly skilled immigrants who have at least three years of U.S. work experience
I am a master's from US in STEM too with more than three years oof experience but I am not thinking like you.
We all should benefit.
" WILL NOT REDUCE BACKLOGS"
" MORE OVER WAIT AND WATCH SAYS IT JUST LIES ON THE TABLE"
I am a master's from US in STEM too with more than three years oof experience but I am not thinking like you.
We all should benefit.
" WILL NOT REDUCE BACKLOGS"
" MORE OVER WAIT AND WATCH SAYS IT JUST LIES ON THE TABLE"
dsairam
08-17 01:30 PM
I saw lot of posts above saying good things about them however my experience with them has been bad. I am assumng this is Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy, LLP we are talking about.
There have been a couple things in the past but the most frustrating one was that even though I sent them all my papers etc. by Jun 20th (so that they can file it on July 2nd) they did not file my case until Aug 08. They are my corporate lawyers so I don't have any choice. Also, they asked us not to contact regarding status during this period as they were really busy. While not responding to status queries was understandable, they still took more than a month to file cases. I confirmed with a lot of my colleagues who were in the same boat and were equally frustrated with noncommunication and taking so long to file the cases. They also were not maintaining any apparent first come first serve queue because there were several folks who got their filings done much sooner than others who had sent complete paperworks way before them.
Based on my experience, I wouldn't recommend them.
There have been a couple things in the past but the most frustrating one was that even though I sent them all my papers etc. by Jun 20th (so that they can file it on July 2nd) they did not file my case until Aug 08. They are my corporate lawyers so I don't have any choice. Also, they asked us not to contact regarding status during this period as they were really busy. While not responding to status queries was understandable, they still took more than a month to file cases. I confirmed with a lot of my colleagues who were in the same boat and were equally frustrated with noncommunication and taking so long to file the cases. They also were not maintaining any apparent first come first serve queue because there were several folks who got their filings done much sooner than others who had sent complete paperworks way before them.
Based on my experience, I wouldn't recommend them.
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